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 Post subject: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:36 am 
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I wonder if he will eBay his vB license.. lol

http://biblocality.com/forums/showthrea ... 5#post4705

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Please observe the unlawfulness, criminality and illegality of vBulletin Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Specifically, Kerry-Anne Peters, arbitrarily revoked my license on June 5, 2008 for no good reason. Consequently, she said I have to pay them $180+ if I want to continue using vBulletin which of course I won't do, because I already paid it; by law remains valid for life, as it says right on their purchase agreeement, "The owned vBulletin Forum license allows you to run the software on your site indefinitely."

I was a consistently dependable customer, each year paying for updates and support. I had no problem paying the usual annual fee of $60+/yr for updates and support, but they want more money now by requiring I start a new license for $180+. Obviously, you don't give into their demands, otherwise they will just do the same thing again and to others. They are abusing their power. Because of their actions, I highly recommend everyone only use pirated versions of vBulletin software and never pay them a dime.


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:29 pm 
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He's a twit Russell. You have to read all of what happened to see he was being combative. He would open ticket after ticket when they told him to stop. That's harrassment to some. IMHO I think they looked at it that way and took measures to cut him off. When I last check a couple of days ago his site was still up. Maybe they worked something out. Who knows...
Did you read at CV where he thinks they hacked him? Jeez.


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:30 pm 
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LOLOL... vB hacked him huh.. lol

well. I agree.. he was being a COMPLETE ASS.. and they should have revoked
his tech support.. but to take his money, license and then turn him over to the piracy dept.. LOL

i mean..
thats a bit.. over zealous.. dont u think?


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:41 am 
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Maybe.
I did call his hand when he brought up he has a tech trying to recover his drive. That lead me to think he was running his forum off his own computer. That's a violation of a lot of ISP's terms of service. Haven't heard from him since...


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:02 am 
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ya know what.. you might be on to something there...

why else would he REFUSE to let them look at his server files...
if your gonna trust someone with your credit card number.. I hope
you should be able to trust them to help you fix your server.. right..

hmmmm..


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:20 pm 
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Opening ticket after ticket would bug the hell out of me. I probably would have revoked his license as well.
I can tell by the last sentence of the above rant that he definitely deserved to have his license revoked.
Encouraging others to engage in a criminal activity will get him nowhere.


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:30 pm 
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That sukks if they really do that,but you can't use nulled vb on any host.So no other way than buying it.


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:47 pm 
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This guy was an idot but still... His licence... i guess it was the right thing to do but... Thats just EVIL, how i like it :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:44 pm 
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I had a bit of a chuckle after all the speculation and misreading by overassuming minds. You know it is a humble mind that doesn't overassume.

First off, why would the customer sell the license, since it had been restored by the Chief Executive Officer of Jelsoft in England.

Actually what was happening was one or two vBulletin staff members were being combatitive, because they would keep demanding they be let onto the customer's server, totally avoiding the customer's point, and in reply the customer held them accountable, by saying, before doing so, please address the timestamp issue they themselves brought up. In some circles this is considered harassment and abuse of power. And the customer rightly stood on firm ground by doing the right thing, not giving into that abuse and harassment.

Why would vBulletin bring up the timestamp issue, yet not follow up it by investigating whether the new file was being provided for download? Obviously, it was not since the customer identified the newly dated timestamp was not given, even as vBulletin requested. Other people, noted, were having the same problem. Therein lies the problem, because of a glitch in the 3.7.1 version being faulty which was admitted to by vBulletin and why they later announced a forthcoming fix to that same 3.7.1 version; yet they still refuse to provide or even look into the class_vurl.php file that would have easily fixed the Recaptcha problem. This problem only existed for those who initially early on downloaded the faulty 3.7.1 version. The lesson there is don't download a version of vBulletin immediately when it comes out, because they may need to make additional changes to it.

It's like when you go to get your oil changed at the place you lease a vehicle. You're expecting nice new fresh oil and a new filter (version 3.7.1). But when you drive off with it, you notice it is riding rough, then you check the oil, and your oil meter is down to zero. You take it back to the mechanic, and he said, have you checked the meter on the oil? You say YES, it is zero. Then, he says, well let me test drive it. You tell him, no, don't drive it, you will just make it worse. He responds, he would still like to test drive it first. Realizing how ignorant this mechanic is being, you again reiterate, please provide the oil that was paid for, after all, you asked me if it had oil in it (date of timestamp). You asked me to check the meter and it is zero. That means it has no oil (old stampdated class_vurl.php file). This goes back and forth until eventually the mechanic says something retarded like, if you continue to harass, we will impound your leased vehicle. Twisted. Then you go to the president of the company. He reprimands those abusive employees, fires some, and provides the customer the paid for oil (version 3.7.2 which fixed this problem). The customer did not press further charges, since he knew it was really about their hostility to knowing that he was a Christian. Christians do not sue for faith.

The overzealousness of a couple of vBulletin employees to try to wipe these Christian forums off the Internet was the zealousness of the hostility to Christians exhibited by those who had a hand in killing Jesus, stoning Paul, killing Stephen or James, brother of John, and placing Paul in jail under trumped up charges. That's why the Bible speaks so adamantly that of the worst sins, bearing false witness is right up there with the top of them. Covering up the real reason for one's hostility is so deceitful.

And yes, it is almost certain someone from vBulletin, or a proxy, broke into the customer's computer and removed all vBulletin files, because it is too coincidental. Of course, this does nothing because the forum files are on the Internet, and the customer presumably backs up his files regularly, both ISP files and his own working files. How absurd to think the customer was running vBulletin from his computer. His service provider clearly has the vBulletin pages on their webserver.

You can't help all this weird propaganda is not one or two vBulletin staff members still trying to rationalize themselves, like in that last couple of posts you read in that discussion where the employee was against the decision of the CEO of Jelsoft to restore the license.

The reason was given many times why the customer wanted to do the right thing and not let vBulletin staff onto his server every time there was a problem, but that he would appreciate they address the problem they themselves brought up first when asking the customer for the date of the timestamp. Giving your credit card number out to someone whom you purchase a product from is traceable; tracing activity of a third party's movements on your server is an entirely different story.

Ticket after ticket was not being opened. If you look through the communication, it was mainly two or three threads in continuing discussion. The issue therefore was the belligerency and obstinacy of the mentioned names at vBulletin. One of the reasons the customer did open a subsequent thread is because it made it available to speak to someone else besides the negligent staff member of vBulletin.

The reason pirating exists is for this very reason, because those in power abuse their privileges. This is a very strong case.

I agree, it was just down right evil to remove his license. Fortunately, the CEO had some common sense to restore it and reprimanded a few renegade employees. Talk about horrible customer service. This is one of those classice nigtmare customer service stories. The best thing is for the owner of the company to simply find better mechanics.

This was a clear case of antichrist behavior.


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 Post subject: Re: vB can take your money. and license.. what a deal
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:22 am 
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lol...
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This was a clear case of antichrist behavior.

I dont know If I would say anti-christ behavior.. but defiantly over-zealous..

(I havent read the posts in a few months but)
the supervisor seemed to be having a really bad day.. if not week..
seemed to me that she was almighty lord of all things vB..

but.. jsut 1 more reason why I dont run vB.. :-D


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